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发表于 2014-2-21 19:16:39 | 显示全部楼层
请教老师中国在乌克兰的利益问题
以前从媒体上看,乌克兰和中国的关系是不错的:乌克兰向中国提供了不少军事技术,中国在乌克兰租赁了长期的土地以发展农业(报道说有2、3个新加坡的面积那么大)。那么这次欧美的行动是否有针对中国的因素呢?中国又会怎样维护自己的利益?会不会和俄罗斯联手?
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发表于 2014-2-21 20:43:10 | 显示全部楼层
人淡如菊 发表于 2014-2-21 19:16
请教老师中国在乌克兰的利益问题
以前从媒体上看,乌克兰和中国的关系是不错的:乌克兰向中国提供了不少军 ...



不管乌克兰的结局如何,不会影响到中国的国家安全。所以,不需要偏袒任何一方。最聪明的做法应该是,保持中立,做和事老。这样一来,不管结果如何都会对中国有利。

乌克兰这几年,要么持续闹下去,要么彻底分裂掉。得到稳定团结的机会不大。连稳定了三百年的英国都会今年分裂掉。这几年欧洲大陆也会经历很多动荡的机会大些。美国的分裂可能是以后十年二十年的事情。

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发表于 2014-2-21 21:02:58 | 显示全部楼层
感谢老师的回复
世界变化太快,真是很感叹啊
和平统一真是很难的
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发表于 2014-2-22 21:18:23 | 显示全部楼层

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发表于 2014-2-24 05:38:44 | 显示全部楼层
midas 发表于 2014-2-20 22:35
对俄罗斯来说,乌克兰问题是关系到民族感情和国家安全的非常关键的问题。假如乌克兰参加北大西洋军事组 ...

这些地缘政治其实都是对自己实力衡量的决策。冷战时候觉得南斯拉夫那些都涉及俄罗斯国家安全,不容侵犯,结果北约欧盟后来一路东括,俄罗斯也就慢慢习惯了。只能说要好好衡量自己实力,再考虑去扩大势力范围,或维护势力范围,对自己实力认识不够,就像日本国有化钓鱼岛,结果得不偿失。估计中国也在考虑什么情况下有实力跟美国在钓鱼岛上亮剑。时机不掌握好,说不定得不偿失。希望老师培训能讲讲期权市场博弈的情况,肯定很精彩。
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发表于 2014-2-24 11:09:56 | 显示全部楼层
Leslie 发表于 2014-2-24 05:38
这些地缘政治其实都是对自己实力衡量的决策。冷战时候觉得南斯拉夫那些都涉及俄罗斯国家安全,不容侵犯, ...



除非威胁到中国的核心利益和国家安全,不需要理那么多番邦小国的胡搅蛮缠。战略眼光属于世界第一流的毛主席和邓小平时代都暂时“忍一忍”的问题,不需要现在再拿出来抄一抄。意义不大。

美国的迈阿密对面有巴哈马和古巴。巴哈马属于英国,古巴是过去五十年美国的眼中钉。世界第一大超级大国的美国都可以忍一忍,持续自己的世界霸主的横行霸道。那才是大国的胸怀和做法。

中国要做的是,要放弃弱国时代的心态和做法,要面向全世界,要集中精力和努力搞好向全世界扩大下去的战略和策略。要为未来的世界霸主的地位和势力铺路,不是在国境为了一亩三分地跟那么多番邦吵吵闹闹。这个到底何时了。中国有十几个邻邦。有国境分歧和闹事的不只是两三个。也是都很正常的现象。家大业大,跟邻居发生国境的分歧是正常不过的事情。也不必要大惊小怪。

不过,中国不需要花那么多精神和力气理那么多番邦的胡搅蛮缠。搞好国内的建设,搞好对亚非拉欧的经济和文化势力的扩大。这才是一个大国该做的正经事。那么多番邦邻居的胡搅蛮缠只要不威胁到中国的核心利益和国家安全都可以不理。既然命中注定是大国,那要有大国的胸怀和做法。跟小国的心态和做法是不可能一样的。大国需要的是在周围和全世界范围内的“势力范围”。不是划来划去的小小的一亩三分地。

毛主席时代,教训了印度的“大印度主义”以后,还给印度95%的战争中夺回来的地方。只要了5%的战略要地。欧美苏都不明白那到底是为何。毛主席的做法是超级大国的领袖的战略眼光。那才是大国领袖的胸怀和气魄。
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发表于 2014-2-24 11:24:40 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
谢谢老师,媒体上亮剑之类的屁话实在是看烦了,还铺天盖地的来。那些斗鸡眼言论问几个为神马就露出短来,既说不通又不给力,可媒体就是不问。

宋晓军每次想扯太平洋岛链的时候总又被中央台拉回神马钓鱼岛啊中日关系啊亮剑之类的东西上来。也难怪,那些太平洋上的地名好多人都还没听过……
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发表于 2014-2-24 18:18:16 | 显示全部楼层
midas 发表于 2014-2-24 11:09
除非威胁到中国的核心利益和国家安全,不需要理那么多番邦小国的胡搅蛮缠。战略眼光属于世界第一流的 ...

问题是树欲静而风不止啊,美国是会不定设障碍给中国的,毕竟在苏联身上成功过。洋人确实很多对中国所谓的”给上一课”的原因不是很明白,老师给讲解下当时打印度越南,中国拿下再撤退的深刻内涵?还有怎么才能让洋人明白?谢谢
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发表于 2014-2-25 08:30:06 | 显示全部楼层
Leslie 发表于 2014-2-24 18:18
问题是树欲静而风不止啊,美国是会不定设障碍给中国的,毕竟在苏联身上成功过。洋人确实很多对中国所谓的 ...


国家之间的关系等于是邻居之间的关系。常常发生摩擦是难免的。再也正常不过的人类社会的现象。问题是,怎样解决的问题而已。这个解决的大基础是,只要不影响到核心利益和国家安全,都可以坐下来慢慢谈十年几十年甚至几百年。毕竟都是以后几千年都一起生存下去的国家或邻居。

跟中国有国境分歧的国家当中,跟俄罗斯的问题是以“你让一半我让一半”的办法基本上解决了。可是沙皇抢走的北方的一大块领土还是要等机会再算。跟印度的问题,谈了五十年还在谈。可能持续谈下去五十年的机会大些。跟越南的领土问题也一样。谈了三十年还在谈,可能还要谈下去三十年甚至三百年。跟日本的领土问题也一样。毛主席和邓小平时代讲明“让更聪明的下一代谈下去这个问题。暂时搁置”。

教训了印度和越南是因为他们武装侵犯了西藏和广西的原因。即影响到中国的国家安全。所以,不得不打退侵略的武装力量。教训一下,然后持续谈下去。已经都谈了几十年了。

跟邻居解决边境问题的最好的办法还是“双赢”的办法。那就是只要不影响国家安全和核心利益的话,共同开发共同管理共同分享的办法。目前中国是十几个邻邦的最大的贸易伙伴。即大佬的意思。这些国家的经济都慢慢变成中国经济的卫星。大佬要有大佬的肚量和德行。不然很难服众。

美国封锁和围堵了新中国几十年。后来为了打苏联不再公开实行封锁和围堵政策。现在又说“回到亚洲”的政策。意思是又要再一次跟中国抗衡的意思。问题是,中国已经是美国的第一大债主。美国军队是年年举债养的兵。中国是亚洲大多数国家的第一大贸易伙伴。美国拿什么长期抗衡下去就很难说了。长期的大趋势是明显不过了。美军是迟早都得回家的。
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发表于 2014-2-25 21:09:20 | 显示全部楼层
今天ccav的一条新闻标题是:日本重启核电,安倍蓄谋已久。

呵呵,顶,赞一个,有道理,说得好,与我心有戚戚焉,
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 楼主| 发表于 2014-3-4 15:13:46 | 显示全部楼层
一张图看懂乌克兰两周来发生了什么

2014年03月03日   来源:华尔街见闻

http://wallstreetcn.com/node/78782

过去两周,乌克兰事件迅速升级,焦点很快就从乌克兰首都基辅的大规模示威抗议,转变为俄罗斯武装部队进入该国,乌克兰宣布进入最高备战状态。从国内动乱转变为国家领土危机,短短半个月内,乌克兰局势一波三折。

不仅局势转变之快令人目不暇接,期间发生的一系列事件也令人瞠目结舌:原总统亚努科维奇从强硬镇压示威到被罢免,之后被迫逃亡俄罗斯并被乌克兰发布通缉令仅用了不到7天的时间;前美女总理季莫申科出狱后成为反对派领袖;亚努科维奇所属党派大量党员倒戈成为反对派;俄罗斯武装部队堂而皇之进驻乌克兰境内克里米亚地区;美国威胁俄罗斯不要干涉乌克兰内政,否则将孤立和制裁俄罗斯。

法国新闻社(AFP)制作了一张图表(点击看大图),解释了为什么乌克兰局势在短短两周内竟然发生了如此之快的大幅度转变。



当前,乌克兰局势的最大推动力来自俄罗斯。俄罗斯总理梅德韦杰夫2月24日对乌克兰新领导人展开批评,称临时政府就是一群“持枪叛变者”,俄罗斯不会与其合作。他还预测,临时政府的统治很快就会伴随着“新一场革命和更多的流血事件”而宣告终结。

尽管美国总统奥巴马、英国首相卡梅伦、德国总理默克尔和波兰总统均认为俄罗斯在乌克兰的行动违反了国际法,且威胁到国际和平和安全。但俄罗斯似乎并不买账。路透社消息称,3月3日俄罗斯总统普京与奥巴马通话时强调,如果乌克兰东部以及克里米亚暴力不断蔓延,俄罗斯有权维护自身的利益以及保护居住在该地区的俄语语系居民。普京同时指出,目前居住在乌克兰境内的俄罗斯公民……受到实际威胁。

关于美国总统奥巴马与俄罗斯总统普京之间的博弈,美国金融博客Zerohedge还特意配了一幅想象图来调侃这两位的通话内容:

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发表于 2014-3-5 08:09:24 | 显示全部楼层


对俄罗斯来说,这是“后帝国时代”带来的阵痛。从局外人的角度看,最好的结局还是分开乌克兰为两地。让东部的俄罗斯文化区参加俄罗斯,让乌克兰土著区维护乌克兰的独立,参加欧盟。不然这个动荡会持续几十年甚至几百年。可是普京可能要整个乌克兰,欧美也要整个乌克兰的机会大些。

对中国来说,欧美和俄罗斯之间的长期的胡搅蛮缠不一定是坏事。那也是几千年欧洲的历史文化传统。保持中立,做和事老,尽量得到渔翁之利才是上策。
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 楼主| 发表于 2014-3-22 11:12:33 | 显示全部楼层
台湾学生拒绝结束反服贸协议抗议

华尔街日报中文网 2014年 03月 22日

http://cn.wsj.com/gb/20140322/bch091058.asp

台湾抗议两岸一项备受争议的服务贸易协议的人士周五说,他们会继续占领立法院大楼,直到政府撤销已经签署的这一协议。该协议在台湾引发了激烈的争论。

占领立法院行动是从周二开始的,当时上百名大学生冲破立法院大楼的金属门,进入了议事厅。抗议者向总统马英九下了最后通牒:在周五中午之前回应他们的要求,否则将面临更多抗议。

抗议学生要求马英九立即撤销去年6月份与中国大陆签署的服务贸易协议,并设立一个有法律约束力的机制,对未来两岸所有协议进行监督。马英九也是执政党国民党主席。

抗议学生还要求与总统马英九面对面交谈。

周五下午,该学生运动的领导者之一林非凡(音)说,马总统屡次无视他们的要求,他们会继续占领立法院,拒绝让步。他是在被学生们封堵住的议事厅里说这番话的。

林非凡还呼吁更多的人加入抗议,在全岛所有国民党办公地点的门前进行非暴力静坐。

在周五早些时候发布的一项声明中,马英九敦促各方面理性行动,并说立法院需要立即恢复正常运作。

声明说,服贸协议正在审查之中,有正面的声音,也有质疑的意见,都应该在“立法院”自主的精神下,以理性、民主的方式,回归议事正常运作,达成共识。

台湾政府表示,服贸协议是进一步放开海峡两岸自由贸易往来的必要步骤。它被认为是马英九担任总统期间的一个突出政绩,并且是促使两岸经济联系更加紧密政策的一个硕果。

不过,该协议重新引发了台湾人长久以来的担忧,即随着越来越多的商业和投资流向大陆,台湾的经济可能被空心化。此外,反对者们还说,如果为大陆投资者和大财团拓宽市场准入途径,作为台湾经济支柱的中小企业将很难与大陆企业相抗衡。

一些人还担心,若大陆对享有自治权的台湾的影响越来越大,台湾的民主体制可能遭到破坏。尽管两岸联系日益密切,但北京从未放弃收复台湾的决心,如有必要甚至会使用武力。

不过,服贸协议的支持者说,台湾保持竞争力的唯一办法正是与相邻地区之间建立更多自由贸易纽带,尤其是大陆这一最大出口目的地。台湾是出口依赖型经济体,几乎没有任何自然资源。

在台湾,服务业占据到整个经济的三分之二以上。台湾国际贸易局称,若面向大陆投资者加大开放力度,有望将每年的经济增速提高0.5个百分点以上。

近些年来台湾大规模反政府示威时有发生,但这是抗议者首次占领立法院。警方说,截至周五下午,议事厅内抗议学生的数量超过了300人,立法院外面也聚集了数千人。

配备防暴盾牌的警察被派遣至现场。迄今为止,还没有传来抗议者和当局之间爆发严重争吵的报告。

自从马英九2008年上台以来,台湾和大陆已经签署了19项协议,其中包括启动两岸直航路线、允许大陆游客赴台旅游、废除针对金融控股公司的跨海峡投资禁令等等。

Jenny W. Hsu
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 楼主| 发表于 2014-3-22 17:28:19 | 显示全部楼层

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发表于 2014-3-22 21:08:51 | 显示全部楼层
奥巴马、马英九、马杜罗、马来西亚、马航、还有属马的安倍。。。看样子日子都不好过
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 楼主| 发表于 2014-6-28 11:21:48 | 显示全部楼层
一幅图看清全球最大地缘政治风险

2014年06月28日  来源:华尔街见闻

http://wallstreetcn.com/node/97009

去年华尔街见闻分享过德意志银行的全球地缘政治热点图,那时美洲还有几个风险地区,中东的伊朗和叙利亚是值得关注的风险区。德意志银行本月25日的图表又展示了全球最有可能一触即发的地缘政治风险。

如图所示,高危地区主要在中东和欧洲。中东高风险范围扩大,增加到伊拉克、伊朗、阿富汗、叙利亚、土耳其五个国家,欧洲地区主要在乌克兰和英国。

中国和邻国的领土争端虽然不是当前最关键的风险问题,仍是地缘政治风险源之一。



为了便于对比,下面再来看一看德意志银行2013年的全球地缘政治热点图。


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发表于 2014-6-29 00:33:37 | 显示全部楼层
知悟 发表于 2014-3-22 21:08
奥巴马、马英九、马杜罗、马来西亚、马航、还有属马的安倍。。。看样子日子都不好过

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 楼主| 发表于 2014-7-18 07:44:45 | 显示全部楼层
简讯:以色列向加沙地带发起地面进攻

2014年07月18日 来源: 新华网

http://news.xinhuanet.com/world/2014-07/18/c_126766936.htm

新华网耶路撒冷7月17日电(记者范小林)以色列国防军17日晚宣布,以军已经出动地面部队向加沙地带发起进攻。  以军在当晚发布的一份声明中说,以军部队刚从各个方向对加沙地带发起地面进攻,“护刃行动”已进入一个新阶段。以军称,在巴勒斯坦伊斯兰抵抗运动(哈马斯)对以色列进行了10天的袭击,并一再拒绝逐步缓解紧张局势后,以色列总理内塔尼亚胡和国防部长亚阿隆17日晚下令以军向加沙地带发起地面进攻。

以总理办公室同时发表的一份声明说,以军的地面攻势目前将集中摧毁哈马斯等加沙地带武装的地道,但内塔尼亚胡和亚阿隆已命令以军做好继续扩大军事行动的准备。
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 楼主| 发表于 2014-7-20 16:55:35 | 显示全部楼层
一张图看懂复杂的中东关系

2014年07月20日 来源:华尔街见闻

http://wallstreetcn.com/node/100300

恐怕全世界除了金砖国家和德国以外都把普京视为敌人,这种关系很容易理解。但是中东地区众多国家和极端组织之间的复杂关系对于大多数人来说却是一个谜,有人曾说:“若你能理清中东国家和极端组织的复杂派系关系,那么你已经是半个政客了。”

有了下面这幅图便很好理解了,绿色表示友好,红色表示敌对,黄色表示关系较为复杂,点击看大图:



嗯,看起来伊拉克极端逊尼派组织ISIS(伊拉克和黎凡特伊斯兰国)是个刺儿头,看谁都不爽...
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 楼主| 发表于 2014-9-15 10:37:00 | 显示全部楼层
What Happens When "Scotland" Comes To Spain?

Submitted by Tyler Durden on 09/14/2014

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/20 ... cotland-comes-spain

Friday saw the largest demonstration in the history of Barcelona with 1.8 million people showing up, exceeding all previous records, calling for Catalan independence...



As Martin Armstrong notes, demonstrators were waving independence flags and wearing yellow-and-red shirts with the phrase “Now is the time” shouting “Independencia!” as they swarmed into the semiautonomous area in northeastern Spain that hails Barcelona as its capital.

What is clear, we are seeing the beginning stages of what we have warned about – the rise of civil unrest that leaded to nations dividing or being overthrown in revolutions. What has taken place in Scotland is by no means going unnoticed.



“Independence, independence”, has been the new cry of the people today in Spain in the center of the Catalan capital. Two main roads that converge at a place filled over a distance of seven miles with people. Here, a “V” for “Victoria” (Victory) was formed. The amount of protesters is very impressive and the police have been gearing up for this because they know what is coming.



Catalonia has 7.6 million inhabitants and this is a very important region for Spain. Despite the economic crisis and an unemployment rate of more than 22 percent, Catalonia is around one fifth of total gross domestic product of the Southern European country is generated.  



Proponents of secession from Spain think an independent Catalonia would achieve a higher standard of living.

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Coming to another European country near you soon...



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Of course, this doesn't help...

Unemployment in European Union http://t.co/DwAePpYyw6 pic.twitter.com/rUJRUjwf0J
— Conrad Hackett (@conradhackett) September 13, 2014
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Just as we warned previously...

The history of Europe over the last 100 years shows that austerity can have severe consequences and outcomes and perhaps most notably, the independent variable that did result in more unrest: higher levels of government debt in the first place.



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And here is Deutsche Bank's take on how this might escalate...

From Edinburgh to Barcelona

The unexpected increase in the uncertainty about the outcome of next week’s Scottish independence referendum – see accompanying article in this issue of Focus Europe – re-focused press and clients’ attention on the possibility of a similar referendum in Catalonia on 9 November. The large demonstration in Barcelona on 11 September contributed to elevate media interest.

Catalonia matters

It will take years for Spain to work through the high public and private debt, but the country tends now to be described as a poster-child of the euro-area approach to the crisis along with Ireland, while France and above all Italy struggle to recover. Furthermore, contrary to France, the Spanish government is in a more solid position, and, contrary to Italy, it showed a greater determination in implementing structural reforms.



However, calls for a self-determination referendum in Catalonia add a significant element of uncertainty. Catalonia accounts for a larger proportion (18.8%) of the national economy than Scotland (8%). Indeed, Catalonia is the largest region in Spain (Figure 2).

Catalonia’s referendum would have less clear consequences than Scotland’s

The consequence of the Scottish referendum will be clear: a yes would imply that Scotland becomes independent and Great Britain would be a less united kingdom. The Catalan referendum would differ in at least two elements:

First, and most important, the Catalan referendum, if it takes place, would probably have a very different (lack of) legal basis. The Spanish Constitution opens the possibility of referenda, but specifically excludes from such a procedure the "basic principles" of the Spanish constitution, which include Spain's unity. Indeed, it appears highly likely that the Spanish Constitutional Court will reject Catalonia's request for a self-determination referendum to be held on 9 November.

Second, even if a non-binding referendum were to take place, it would probably ask two questions: (i) "Do you want Catalonia to become a state?" and (ii) "If yes, do you want this state to be independent?"
Will the Catalan referendum take place?

The referendum is promoted by the Catalan President Artus Mas, leader of Convergence and Union (CiU) and the junior regional government partner Republican Left of Catalonia (Esquerra Republicana per Catalunya – ERC). The latter is a more radical pro-independent party. The 2012 CiU-ERC government pact is based on the commitment that a self-determination referendum will take place by end-2014 unless socio-economic conditions require a postponement.

Assuming that as expected the constitutional court will declare the referendum illegal, we see four broad scenarios:

(I) Catalan President Mas and Spanish PM Rajoy’s reach a compromise and both referendum and early regional elections are avoided (positive for a macro-stability point of view). Rajoy could change approach and promise a constitutional reform after the end-2015 general election along with greater financial autonomy (for example in terms of tax treatment).

— Push-back: If Rajoy is seen as too lenient, his PP party could pay a political cost. But if Mas does not obtain major concessions, his position would weaken to the advantage of ERC. If a compromise was easy to reach we would not have come to the current situation. ERC could also react by triggering a fall of the Catalan government.

(II) Mas triggers early elections using the result as a de facto proindependence vote (potentially negative for a macro-stability point of view).

— Push-back: The risk for Mas would be to lose the presidency as his current junior coalition partner ERC is leading in opinion polls. The eventuality that Catalonia, contrary to Scotland, is not allowed to hold a referendum could further boost consensus for ERC.

(III) A variation of the second scenario is a crisis triggered by ERC (potentially negative for a macro-stability point of view). In this case CiU could try to form another government coalition (e.g. with the socialists) but the risk, however, would be that ERC would gain further consensus ahead of the next elections to the cost of the less radical CiU.

— Push-back: CiU will be perfectly aware of this risk – hence they will have to avoid providing a clear justification to ERC. This in turn complicates even further the relationship with Madrid.

(IV) Catalonia goes ahead with the referendum even if the Constitutional Court declares it illegal (potentially negative for a macro-stability point of view). According to the Financial Times (11 Sept.), the majority of analysts believes the vote will have to be called off after the Constitutional Court’s ruling. There are probably at least three reasons behind this view. First, going ahead with an illegal referendum could split Mas’ party. Second, a significant part of the Catalan population could boycott the referendum if it is declared illegal. Third, the referendum would have no legal validity and Madrid could argue that nothing has changed – it could also complicate the relationship of Catalonia with EU partners. However, we would not discard the possibility of a referendum taking place on 9 November:

— Push-back: ERC could push to hold an informal referendum anyway. Alternatively, Mas may want to avoid losing the initiative at the advantage of ERC and also use the result of the referendum to strengthen his bargaining position with Madrid.
Which scenario is more likely? Toward a muddle-through approach

In cases as complex as the one above the most likely scenario can sometimes be identified by finding the dominant strategy (in terms of game theory). However, it is extremely difficult to identify such a strategy given the above described constellations of incentives and constraints. For example, PM Rajoy could opt for a divide-and-rule strategy by trying to entice Mas’ CiU away from the alliance with ERC via material concessions. But that would cause the fall of the current government and more importantly could further boost ERC’s projected share of seats. On top of that, Rajoy will also have to take into account the repercussions of his concessions on other regions – for example on the Basque regions. The risk of ending up in a “prisoner’s-dilemma” conundrum, where the least optimal solution is selected, is material.

Alternatively, we could resort to economic arguments. The scenarios that lead to the greater economic benefit (i.e. probably scenario I above) should become the most likely. The central government may hope that the improving economic conditions will quell the demand for independence. Although it is true that the economic crisis shone a light on the financial transfers from Catalonia to the central government, our understanding is that the drivers of the independence movement in Catalonia are beyond economic considerations. They are rooted in a centuries-long history. This gives a strong emotional content to the debate beyond pure economic considerations like in Scotland.

The Scottish referendum and reactions to it will matter for Catalonia

Next week’s Scottish referendum could affect the likelihood of the above four scenarios via at least three elements.

The result: a yes vote would probably boost the independence movement.

The EU partner reactions: the pro-independent Catalans are in favour of Catalonia as an independent state within the European Union.3 If Scotland vote yes, joining the EU could become a complicated process. The European Union could be weary of being seen as supporting Scotland’s independence given the situation in Ukraine. Equally if not more relevant, a number of European countries will be also wary of the consequences for their own territorial unity, for example Belgium and to a lesser extent Italy. Overall, exiting the euro-crisis calls for further European integration. A break-up of the euro-area fourth largest country would be perpendicular to this trajectory.

Markets and business reaction: a negative reaction by the market and businesses potentially reallocating away from Scotland in case of a yes vote could weaken the pro-independence movement in Catalonia.
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Opinion polls on Catalonia independence

No regular, independent opinion polls are available to assess support for the pro-independence vote. However, there appears to have been an increase in the support for pro-independence over the past 3 years.

According to the State pollster CIS this year around 45% of the Catalan supports full independence, 20% a federal state and 23% an autonomous region (Reuters).

The Center for Opinion Studies of the Catalan presidency reported a 54.7% support for independence in 2013. The 2014 survey provides a less clear reading.
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